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		<title>By: Aragorn Eloff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aragorn Eloff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2010 12:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@hehe: I agree that things are really, really bad. As Jensen says in his latest book, &#039;What We Leave Behind,&#039; it&#039;s not too late...It&#039;s just *almost* too late.

I suppose we just try as best we can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@hehe: I agree that things are really, really bad. As Jensen says in his latest book, &#8216;What We Leave Behind,&#8217; it&#8217;s not too late&#8230;It&#8217;s just *almost* too late.</p>
<p>I suppose we just try as best we can.</p>
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		<title>By: hehe</title>
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		<dc:creator>hehe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2010 12:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I mean all that and more. Corporates having the same rights as humans, private ownership of the water supply, the list is endless...

Think of it this way (and I think I read it in Jensen): If someone from 100 years ago could time-travel to today, they&#039;d look around and think, &quot;Where is everything? Where are the animals? Where are the forests?&quot; We think (because our only point of reference is now) that there is still a lot left but the reality is that it&#039;s all almost gone. There is already nothing left. We&#039;ve destroyed it all.

Best case scenario: We come up with a way to feed 9 billion people, we find/discover an energy source that is able to provide energy for all these people. But, there&#039;s no plant or animal life left because we&#039;ve killed it all. So, we&#039;ve survived but not much else has. What a barren lifeless planet it will be. Would you want to live in a world like that? Not something to look forward to...and that&#039;s the best case.

The reality is going to hurt a whole lot more if you&#039;re human.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I mean all that and more. Corporates having the same rights as humans, private ownership of the water supply, the list is endless&#8230;</p>
<p>Think of it this way (and I think I read it in Jensen): If someone from 100 years ago could time-travel to today, they&#8217;d look around and think, &#8220;Where is everything? Where are the animals? Where are the forests?&#8221; We think (because our only point of reference is now) that there is still a lot left but the reality is that it&#8217;s all almost gone. There is already nothing left. We&#8217;ve destroyed it all.</p>
<p>Best case scenario: We come up with a way to feed 9 billion people, we find/discover an energy source that is able to provide energy for all these people. But, there&#8217;s no plant or animal life left because we&#8217;ve killed it all. So, we&#8217;ve survived but not much else has. What a barren lifeless planet it will be. Would you want to live in a world like that? Not something to look forward to&#8230;and that&#8217;s the best case.</p>
<p>The reality is going to hurt a whole lot more if you&#8217;re human.</p>
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		<title>By: Aragorn Eloff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aragorn Eloff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2010 09:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here are some practical suggestions:

1) Stop consuming so much, regardless of what it says on the label. &#039;Green&#039; consumerism is mostly greenwash. Learn more about what you&#039;re consuming too - did you know that your cellphone almost definitely contains minerals that are obtained at rock bottom prices because of corrupt companies perpetuating conflict in Central Africa?

2) Drive less. I try use my Ezeebike most days: http://www.ezeebike.co.za - expensive, but it&#039;ll pay for itself in about two years of cycling to work instead of driving, and the ecological impact of building a bicycle with a lithium battery is orders of magnitude less than building a new car.

3) Go vegan. You&#039;ll massively diminish your ecological footprint. Local and organic are good rules of thumb too. Read up about this before listening to the pseudo-science of the anti-vegan kneejerk contingent - there&#039;s a reason the UN supports the move to a plant-based diet ;-)

4) Don&#039;t assume that government or big business can ever be rendered benevolent; power corrupts, as do the hyper-individualist consumer values capitalism teaches us.

5) Look into grassroots, bottom-up, community-level alternatives wherever possible: for food, energy generation, etc. Build community!

6) Consider how great social change has happened in the past and accept that some kind of revolutionary activity might be necessary, especially one that eschews hierarchies - political, economic, etc. - in its means and not just its ends.

7) At the very least, some kind of resistance / civil disobedience is called for: the people who are killing the planet have names and addresses and they&#039;re not going to concede anything without a real demand.

8) Start talking to others about this. In the real world, not the Internet. There are friends and neighbours just across those electric fences.

9) Stop paying attention to the naysayers; they&#039;ve been suckered by clever PR campaigns and denialist rhetoric that leverage a very particular demographic in a very tricky way. On the other hand, some of them are just afraid of making big changes. These ones can probably be helped.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here are some practical suggestions:</p>
<p>1) Stop consuming so much, regardless of what it says on the label. &#8216;Green&#8217; consumerism is mostly greenwash. Learn more about what you&#8217;re consuming too &#8211; did you know that your cellphone almost definitely contains minerals that are obtained at rock bottom prices because of corrupt companies perpetuating conflict in Central Africa?</p>
<p>2) Drive less. I try use my Ezeebike most days: <a href="http://www.ezeebike.co.za" rel="nofollow">http://www.ezeebike.co.za</a> &#8211; expensive, but it&#8217;ll pay for itself in about two years of cycling to work instead of driving, and the ecological impact of building a bicycle with a lithium battery is orders of magnitude less than building a new car.</p>
<p>3) Go vegan. You&#8217;ll massively diminish your ecological footprint. Local and organic are good rules of thumb too. Read up about this before listening to the pseudo-science of the anti-vegan kneejerk contingent &#8211; there&#8217;s a reason the UN supports the move to a plant-based diet <img src='http://www.mahala.co.za/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>4) Don&#8217;t assume that government or big business can ever be rendered benevolent; power corrupts, as do the hyper-individualist consumer values capitalism teaches us.</p>
<p>5) Look into grassroots, bottom-up, community-level alternatives wherever possible: for food, energy generation, etc. Build community!</p>
<p>6) Consider how great social change has happened in the past and accept that some kind of revolutionary activity might be necessary, especially one that eschews hierarchies &#8211; political, economic, etc. &#8211; in its means and not just its ends.</p>
<p>7) At the very least, some kind of resistance / civil disobedience is called for: the people who are killing the planet have names and addresses and they&#8217;re not going to concede anything without a real demand.</p>
<p> <img src='http://www.mahala.co.za/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8)' class='wp-smiley' /> Start talking to others about this. In the real world, not the Internet. There are friends and neighbours just across those electric fences.</p>
<p>9) Stop paying attention to the naysayers; they&#8217;ve been suckered by clever PR campaigns and denialist rhetoric that leverage a very particular demographic in a very tricky way. On the other hand, some of them are just afraid of making big changes. These ones can probably be helped.</p>
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		<title>By: Aragorn Eloff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aragorn Eloff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2010 08:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Storm: I agree completely. In order to discuss practical suggestions, however, one has to agree on what the problem is. Some exceptionally misguided folks still haven&#039;t accepted that there is one ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Storm: I agree completely. In order to discuss practical suggestions, however, one has to agree on what the problem is. Some exceptionally misguided folks still haven&#8217;t accepted that there is one <img src='http://www.mahala.co.za/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Storm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Storm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2010 07:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guys you are getting down to mud slinging which is not very helpfull!  Who has actually got a list of practical suggestions that we can take up and put into practise.  We are obviously all quite passionate about the subject.  Lets break it down a bit and see if we can get more people to buy in?
Regards Gail</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guys you are getting down to mud slinging which is not very helpfull!  Who has actually got a list of practical suggestions that we can take up and put into practise.  We are obviously all quite passionate about the subject.  Lets break it down a bit and see if we can get more people to buy in?<br />
Regards Gail</p>
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		<title>By: Aragorn Eloff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aragorn Eloff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2010 05:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Rich: Naive faith in government? I&#039;m an anarchist!

You, on the other hand, are watching too much Alex Jones ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Rich: Naive faith in government? I&#8217;m an anarchist!</p>
<p>You, on the other hand, are watching too much Alex Jones <img src='http://www.mahala.co.za/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Aragorn Eloff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aragorn Eloff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2010 05:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@hehe: You mean freshwater loss, soil degradation, the decimation of the food supply by hegemonic forces with their GMO&#039;s, toxification of our bodies by plastics and heavy metals...that kind of thing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@hehe: You mean freshwater loss, soil degradation, the decimation of the food supply by hegemonic forces with their GMO&#8217;s, toxification of our bodies by plastics and heavy metals&#8230;that kind of thing?</p>
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		<title>By: hehe</title>
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		<dc:creator>hehe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 20:33:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haha, well pointed out Anon. Storm, you really need to think before you write.

Aragorn and Rich, your argument(s) is pointless. Take a look around you...do either of you really think any change will come? The only thing that WILL continue is that we will continue to be human and with that will come the destruction of everything around us. Climate change will be the last of our worries...the shit that is coming will arrive before climate change has any real human-depopulation effects. You two are arguing about whether you&#039;r drinking a cab sav or a merlot while the Titanic sinks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha, well pointed out Anon. Storm, you really need to think before you write.</p>
<p>Aragorn and Rich, your argument(s) is pointless. Take a look around you&#8230;do either of you really think any change will come? The only thing that WILL continue is that we will continue to be human and with that will come the destruction of everything around us. Climate change will be the last of our worries&#8230;the shit that is coming will arrive before climate change has any real human-depopulation effects. You two are arguing about whether you&#8217;r drinking a cab sav or a merlot while the Titanic sinks.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 16:03:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Al Gore Eloff: 

The article is not depressing. It&#039;s really quite refreshing. It&#039;s your alarmist end-of-the-world hysteria that&#039;s depressing, especially coupled with your naive faith in government and the integrity of the IPCC. 

You also seem to have a lot of faith in SourceWatch Al. But they couldn&#039;t possibly hold any bias could they?

Have you read the disclaimer page on SourceWatch?

&quot;Please be advised that nothing found here has necessarily been reviewed by professionals with the expertise required to provide you with complete, accurate or reliable information. That is not to say that you will not find valuable and accurate information in SourceWatch; much of the time you will. However, SourceWatch cannot guarantee the validity of the information found here.

&quot;None of the authors, contributors, sponsors, administrators, sysops, or anyone else connected with SourceWatch in any way whatsoever can be responsible for the appearance of any inaccurate or libelous information or for your use of the information contained in or linked from these web pages.&quot;

Seriously?

Who created this supposed source referencing site? Center for Media and Democracy?

Who are they? Well, here are just three of their own long list of financial contributors:

Tides Foundation
Rockefeller Associates
Rockefeller Family Foundation

Hmmm, that is interesting.

SourceWatch is just another black propaganda site created by the progressive/communist movement. Created by super rich people where their final goal is benevolent? I doubt it.

Anyone referencing SourceWatch should know that you are spreading black propaganda created by people funded by the likes of George Soros and the Rockefeller family. 

Wecome to the Infowar, South Africa. Don&#039;t panic - it&#039;s not the end of the world.

But wait, here&#039;s Al Gore Eloff with a swift and witty retort...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Al Gore Eloff: </p>
<p>The article is not depressing. It&#8217;s really quite refreshing. It&#8217;s your alarmist end-of-the-world hysteria that&#8217;s depressing, especially coupled with your naive faith in government and the integrity of the IPCC. </p>
<p>You also seem to have a lot of faith in SourceWatch Al. But they couldn&#8217;t possibly hold any bias could they?</p>
<p>Have you read the disclaimer page on SourceWatch?</p>
<p>&#8220;Please be advised that nothing found here has necessarily been reviewed by professionals with the expertise required to provide you with complete, accurate or reliable information. That is not to say that you will not find valuable and accurate information in SourceWatch; much of the time you will. However, SourceWatch cannot guarantee the validity of the information found here.</p>
<p>&#8220;None of the authors, contributors, sponsors, administrators, sysops, or anyone else connected with SourceWatch in any way whatsoever can be responsible for the appearance of any inaccurate or libelous information or for your use of the information contained in or linked from these web pages.&#8221;</p>
<p>Seriously?</p>
<p>Who created this supposed source referencing site? Center for Media and Democracy?</p>
<p>Who are they? Well, here are just three of their own long list of financial contributors:</p>
<p>Tides Foundation<br />
Rockefeller Associates<br />
Rockefeller Family Foundation</p>
<p>Hmmm, that is interesting.</p>
<p>SourceWatch is just another black propaganda site created by the progressive/communist movement. Created by super rich people where their final goal is benevolent? I doubt it.</p>
<p>Anyone referencing SourceWatch should know that you are spreading black propaganda created by people funded by the likes of George Soros and the Rockefeller family. </p>
<p>Wecome to the Infowar, South Africa. Don&#8217;t panic &#8211; it&#8217;s not the end of the world.</p>
<p>But wait, here&#8217;s Al Gore Eloff with a swift and witty retort&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Aragorn Eloff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aragorn Eloff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 11:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Rich: I&#039;m not sure what you&#039;re trying to say by posting this depressing article, other than to let us know that some corporate lobby groups are gaining ground and that the solution to anthropogenic climate change (which is, for those of us who don&#039;t suffer from some kind of terminal incapacity to see the real world, an actual phenomenon that exists outside of political ebbs and flows - Krugman&#039;s original article cited by Dalmia actually says precisely this) might therefore lie outside of the structures and processes of representative democracy.

As for &#039;checking the source&#039;, perhaps you need to read up a bit on the Cato Foundation and the Reason Foundation (Shikha Dalmia is a senior ) lest you continue to come across as:

A) the kind of SimCity-fetishising free market fundamentalist who supports organisations that deny the link between smoking and lung cancer ;-)

B) Someone who doesn&#039;t have the time or skills to actually ensure that the links they post actually say what they think they say.

And now, here&#039;s a brief overview of those charming, well-meaning folks at the li&#039;l ole non-profit Reason Foundation: http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Reason_Foundation

Good luck smartening that ass up :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Rich: I&#8217;m not sure what you&#8217;re trying to say by posting this depressing article, other than to let us know that some corporate lobby groups are gaining ground and that the solution to anthropogenic climate change (which is, for those of us who don&#8217;t suffer from some kind of terminal incapacity to see the real world, an actual phenomenon that exists outside of political ebbs and flows &#8211; Krugman&#8217;s original article cited by Dalmia actually says precisely this) might therefore lie outside of the structures and processes of representative democracy.</p>
<p>As for &#8216;checking the source&#8217;, perhaps you need to read up a bit on the Cato Foundation and the Reason Foundation (Shikha Dalmia is a senior ) lest you continue to come across as:</p>
<p>A) the kind of SimCity-fetishising free market fundamentalist who supports organisations that deny the link between smoking and lung cancer <img src='http://www.mahala.co.za/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>B) Someone who doesn&#8217;t have the time or skills to actually ensure that the links they post actually say what they think they say.</p>
<p>And now, here&#8217;s a brief overview of those charming, well-meaning folks at the li&#8217;l ole non-profit Reason Foundation: <a href="http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Reason_Foundation" rel="nofollow">http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Reason_Foundation</a></p>
<p>Good luck smartening that ass up <img src='http://www.mahala.co.za/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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