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Shoot the Boer

The Happy Clappy Struggle

by Lindokuhle Nkosi / 28.09.2011

iBhunu, the word derived from the Afrikaans plural “boere” meaning farmers; it evolved to refer to the Afrikaner population in general, and then more specifically to the apartheid system and the many forces of oppression that system represented. It became a catch-all phrase for the perpetrators of black oppression. Globally, today, you could equate the term “iBhunu” with “the man”. When one speaks of sticking it to the man, no-one interprets that as a call to physically violate, or cause harm to anything with a raised testosterone level and a penis. It is not viewed as an instruction to grab him by his chino’s and fists him in a dark alleyway. We collectively understand and agree that “the man” is not synonymous with “a man”. The man down the road is not the same person as “the man” who gets “it” stuck to.

Understandably, to someone who isn’t a first language English speaker, idioms and figures of speech could be confusing. When only the basic tenets of speech are recognised, the subtle nuances of language: such as metaphors, sarcasm and irony are open to misinterpretation. And in South Africa’s hyper-sensitive social and political climate; fuelled by a background of capricious taxonomy; classification and re-classification, everything that bubbles to the surface of the social consciousness is subject to a figurative pencil test. Issues of race are racist, and healthy debate is stifled in order to either, a) quell minority fears or, b) pander to the entitlement mentalities of the ruling class. This means that empty demagogic “debate” has taken priority over real and relevant national conversation, lest it offend.

On the 12 of September, on the 33rd anniversary of Bantu Steve Biko’s murder, the Equality Court in effect banned the singing of struggle song “Ayesab’ amagwala”, specifically targeting the phrases “dubul’ ibhunu” (shoot the boer) and “ziyarapa lezinja” (the dogs are rapists). By the ruling, the song, and in particular the aforementioned phases may not be sung by the ANC and its members, in public or in private because they constitute hate speech. In order for something to breach Freedom of Expression, and become Hate Speech, it must provide a reasonable manner in which it could be interpreted as a direct and clear incitement to violence. In its judgement, the court highlighted the importance of context, adding that: “It may be accepted that the reasonable person must be contextualised and that one is not concerned with a purely abstract exercise. One must have regard to the nature of the audience.”

The question then is, would the people hearing the song, singing the song interpret it as a literal call to arms? The ANC thinks not. How it currently stands, they say the “boer” means the oppressor. It is a system or mentality, rather than a person or a group of people. One would have to be fully familiar with the language, with the subtle shading of its use and construction, to aptly evaluate what it connotes. To limit it to a literal translation would be to assume that black languages, namely Zulu, lack the evolutionary sophistication to contain figures of speech, linguistic poetry. That the manner and purpose of communication is plainly directive and obtuse, in a “Me-Tarzan. You-Jane” kind of way. In accordance with the judge’s very rigid interpretation of “Ayesab’ amagwala”, almost every struggle song constitutes hate speech. There’s a huge gap in understanding, stemming from years of separate development, which confines our ability to comprehend each other’s cultures.

In my opinion, Judge Lamont’s ruling shows a misunderstanding of the complexity of language, or rather, an unwillingness to recognise that African Languages can be anything but denotative. But also, his judgement is indicative of a general South African minority mentality. The singing of “Ayesab’ amagwala” sounds to them, like a justification of farm murders, like a call for white genocide. A reasonable insecurity given that in South Africa, being a farmer is one the most dangerous professions. Except farmers aren’t murdered just because they’re white, it’s a far more intricate concoction of race, class, relative deprivation and the often obscure and isolated locations which means that the perps can escape long before the murder can be discovered.

Does this then mean that whiteness is under direct attack? Are black people caged animals waiting for the door to be left slightly ajar, in order for them to grab the opportunity to drive the whites in to the sea? Are we just biding our time, waiting for Mandela and Tutu to die so that we can enact our revenge? No. What we are waiting for however, is for the rainbow clauses that kept us oppressed post-94, to evolve into the Rainbow Nation we over-zealously celebrated and now whore to foreigners and tourists.

Truth is that if there was greater energy invested in our national reconciliation, if more white people spoke an African language, for instance, that would go a long way towards defusing the emotive power of “Ayesab’ amagwala” and populist demagogues like Julius Malema.

Instead, South Africa has no collective history. What one section of our country celebrates as victory, the other mourns as loss. There are no communal heroes. I don’t know if the Equality Court actually had any other option, without the risk of being viewed as unsympathetic to the Afrikaner cause. But is banning a cultural cornerstone of South Africa’s liberation struggle really the lesser of two evils? And what exactly does banning a song achieve? Will this not turn “Ayesab’ amagwala” into an even more exclusive, greedily guarded part of sanctified black heritage?

Less than thirty minutes after Judge Lamont’s ruling, the crowd that had gathered outside the court sang “Ayesab’ amagwala” with an indignation and zeal that hasn’t been felt since the bad old days of apartheid.

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  1. Anonymous says:

    Considering the mental maturity of the masses (the lack thereof caused by a host of factors – and the blame cannot be exclusively laid at the feet of the big bad iBhunu ) the singing of the song by the populist leaders is undeniably dangerous. But. It is dirty politics. A revolutionary party needs a revolution. I agree. The song has a place – in history.

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  2. iBhunu says:

    Please, Lindokuhle, explain to me how whites are taking Kill the Boer out of context when the ANCYL is making comments like this:

    Lungisa hit out at white and black professionals, saying: “Those who have hairstyles, those who are wearing ties but not helping their community, will be affected. The white males, they need to be attended [to].”


    What does he mean ‘attended to’? Like show them a parking spot maybe, offer white males a drink (met eish)? Is this just one of those things that I as a paranoid whitey am taking too literally?

    And wait.. what about this..


    Systematic disarmament, or just another coy little joke by the powers that be?

    This is all so hilarious, I tell you. Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot are lying in their graves giggling for shits – they get it.

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  3. Andy says:

    anonymous how can you even begin to extrapolate what the “mental maturity of the masses” is? Jesus that term just made me feel sick…

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  4. Andy says:

    Reality Check you’re a joke… directing us to a site that proclaims “waterboarding works” and positions itself as “innovations in the war against Islamic Expansionism”. What global rightwing crackpot universe do you inhabit?

    Fair and balanced like Fox News. Eishness

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  5. Brian Green says:

    I can imagine how life might be if I were an impoverished young man with little else going on for me other than the support, camaraderie and possible answers to my ills that being a member of a youth-orientated organisation might afford. We get together, as a relatively homogenous whole, and get angry about why things are aren’t going right for me and my community. We sing songs as part of the heritage of this organisation, some of which metaphorically finger members of a former ruling class/race as the cause of most of the problems that have affected my people in the past, problems that still seem to persist, though. Hmmm.

    One song in particular gains the attention of the media and former oppressors. Great. Maybe they’ll pay attention now. But these people are beginning to moan, from the comfort of the cushy lives they still seem to live despite us all being ‘equal’ after almost 20 years, that the song discriminates against them. What a fucking cheek. Look how I live: no job, a shitty house, no food, no opportunities – fuck all basically.

    An Ideological tussle ensues about the song which is then subsequently banned. Oh, wow, it’s the former oppressor doing the banning. What the fuck. Fuck these cunts; who are they to tell me what I can and can’t sing. Pieces of shit *insert some opposing race*. Ya, just like the song, they’re to blame. Things haven’t changed, fuck I hate those people with *their* rules, *their* money, holding us down at every turn. I don’t need any other fucking race on this earth when all I need in life I get from my own. Ya, fuck em. Fuck em hard. Is it OK to take from them? Ya, perhaps. They’ve got tons of shit that they got at my people’s expense. Animals with money, that’s all they are. ANIMALS WITH MONEY. Look how they treat us. If the opportunity arises, I think I’ll help myself to the belongings of these animals. They won’t miss anything. Fuck, they’ve got a fucking ton of land too. I bet my ancestors lived on it before they did and they probably took it like they’ve taken everything from my people.

    Fuck em, totally. Their laws, their shit, FUCK THEM. What other options do I have? Easy targets, ne?

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  6. Reality Check says:

    Andy, you unrequited little fucktard, I directed you to the pictures not the content on the site. Of course you ignored that, because you’re a schmuck, more than anything. That site came up on a search for farm murder pictures, it’s a taster, there is worse out there. But yes, ignore the substance of what I was pointing to and focus on what is happening on the sidelines. Burn straw men much?

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  7. Anonymous says:

    Andy, you unrequited little fucktard…my comment (“mental maturity of the masses”) is quite an obvious fact – that’s if you aren’t a silverspoon liberal prat. The impoverished masses of whom I speak have had very little access to a real education (And no Andy..political “education” does not count..there is afterall a whole wide world of history and experience out there and not just Africa and how poorly she has been treated). Their parents and their parents before them have been left in the wilderness that is stagnation and are hence easy targets for manipulation by the fat cat “leadership”

    “A hungry stomach cannot hear.”

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  8. by the same token says:

    kaffir is arabic for disbeliever. maybe if black people understood the “nuances” of this word, the AWB wouldnt be so bad after all.

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  9. Andy says:

    both anonymous and Reality Check (if not the same person) masquerading as split enzymes of the same incendiary right wing thinking… are being just as reactionary as the populist demagogues who sing the song “Ayaseb’amagwala”…

    This piece of writing is making a far more nuanced point than you’re willing to acknowledge or even engage with.

    Lindokuhle already said in the article that farm murders are a complex issue. Singing the song does not automatically equate to an incitement to enact violence on farmers. Posting pictures of farm murders is about as relevant to this debate as posting pictures of aborted foetuses or car crash victims. They’re just shocking and create knee jerk emotional responses. No one’s denying that farm murders are gruesome, evil and wrong. And then seriously, check your sources. Some rightwing yahoo site you found on Google. Come now. That’s not debate, that’s propaganda. So it is really you who are the fucktard, Reality Check. Because you’re not involving in the debate, you’re using emotive images to create a default polarising reaction instead of trying to understand both sides of a complex issue and navigate towards compromise and understanding…

    As for anonymous and the use of offensive and deeply patronising (some would just say straight up “racist”) blanket phrases like “mental maturity of the masses” – and your subsequent attempt at justifying this clanger makes me wonder if I can even have an argument with you…

    lastly, and this is the important bit, songs like “Ayaseb’amagwala” only have power because South Africans (and here I’m echoing Tutu and referring to the powerful, moneyed and predominantly white skinned citizens of Azania) have not adequately engaged with the concept of reconciliation. If we lived in a more equitable and understanding society a song like “shoot the boer” would have very little political currency. And that is the whole point.

    I don’t expect either of you to get it. But hey, at least I tried.

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  10. by the same token says:

    Andy, you -and your mag- are the joke here. Of all people u should know the power of words/language. Most people out there dont understand the “nuances”,and it is for the benefit of The Masses that the law, under the constitution, is obligated to set a standard, or an example. There are better ways to celebrate history and heritage. Mandela didnt sing kill the boer.. he was about a peaceful rconcilliation. Thats was post apartheid SA is supposed to be about, reconciliation. Forgiveness. Atonement. Not rehashing, however “nuanced”, the vitriol of bygone years. I understand you are meant to be showing contraversial views and all sides of the story. but this writer does not deal with this subject in a truly capable manner. She sounds like a smart chick n all, and her points are not by any means invalid… i just dont think if they add up to the point she thinks they are. Please andy, some editorial tact.

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  11. Anonymous says:

    Your rethoric above is as typical as it is weak. I don’t expect you to get it. But hey, at least I tried

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  12. by the same token says:

    and yoh but your responses are so arrogant! “farm murders are complex”. as were the AWB murders. fact is, we should stop being so fucking liberal with our approach to human life. Killing farmers is wrong and unacceptable. Killing “the blacks” is wrong and unacceptable. Anything that justifies or gives cultural/historical purpose to either is wrong and unacceptable. And dangerous. As nuanced and layered as the roots of the song may be, Malema et al are not using it in that light. And to the writer, what is so much better about it being The Man? I thought the days of othering, of raging agains/triumphing over the faceless whole., were behind us? Another thought: if its not a racist hate speech thing, would it make sense for a white person to sing it? hmmmm. think not. but what do i know. im just an umlungu. a term that isnt hate speech because it means Sea Scum. The scum of the sea and the disbelievers unite! Lets sing songs and take our country forward!

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  13. Reality Check says:

    No you doos, I am showing you the reality of race hate inspired crimes in South Africa. If people are farms are being tortured and murdered, then any sane person (sanity might qualify as right wing to you at this point in time) would probably suggest that inciting the masses to go out and murder them isn’t a good idea, and maybe just a bit insensitive. I’d apply the same standard if right wingers were going out and slaughtering and torturing blacks – this behaviour is unacceptable, as is incitement to perform it, by any group/culture/ethnicity. The nuances and subtleties of the argument presented are besides the point – for some the ‘fuck the man’ sentiment may have meaning, for others the song is a vehicle for hate. I don’t personally support hate speech, but let’s not pretend that calling for the murder of a specific racial group is kosher. That’s just fucked up. Trying to turn it into an issue of white racism is beyond the pale. A Nazi could have said that the ‘Jew’ was not really a racial thing – it just referred to a personality that profits off the work of others, blah, blah, whatever. Fuck that.

    The pics of farm murders, by the way, are available on numerous sites. They show reality, not propaganda – people tortured and butchered based on skin colour. It goes beyond the cosy, comfy little words that let you feel like you’re standing on the right side of the ideological fence. If reality starts feeling like propaganda to you, mebbe it’s time to start worrying. But you’re never wrong, are you Andy? I’m not anonymous by the way, but you can believe that if it makes you feel better.

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  14. by the same token says:

    Reality Check for the WIN

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  15. Andy says:

    For many white people the terms Reconciliation, Forgiveness, Atonement – just mean business as usual. Lock the front door, turn on the electric fence, I pay Mavis to clean up after myself so don’t fuck with my first world way of life…

    This song only has power because we’ve dropped the ball on reconciliation. We let the old man down. We fucken act like we’re living in Switzerland and not part of an ongoing socio-political experiment (negotiated settlement) dreamt up by a visionary set of leaders to avoid a protracted and bloody civil war.

    Editorial tact… I think the word you’re looking for there is “discretion”. Then please don’t make me laugh. These are the debates we want to be promoting on Mahala. Just because you find them uncomfortable doesn’t mean we should avoid them.

    And lastly Lindokuhle’s point about the nuances of isiZulu are very pertinent and point to a kind of minority arrogance on this issue. Ask yourself this… Does Judge Lamont speak isiZulu? And then ask yourself when did banning culture ever achieve anything positive? Banning the song does not magically erase the underlying issues that fuel it’s popularity. It actually does the opposite. Now “Ayaseb’amagwala” is a site of contest, of struggle, it’s power to polarise is even more potent (nice alliteration, ne?) And while we’re banning songs, what about Eminem and all that porny and sexually explicit R&B? What about Odd Future, JayZ, Akon?

    Thought control… bad idea… eish.

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  16. Andy says:

    Reality Check do you speak isiZulu? Can you understand this song? Have you listened to and translated all the lyrics taking into account the potential, myriad meanings. Do you understand the context in which the song was written and is being used today? Or does everything that you’ve learnt about this song revolve around this oft and hysterically repeated media phrase: “shoot the boer” against a backdrop of heinous farm murders?

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  17. Tok Toki says:

    damn it’s gone quiet in here… I was enjoying that…

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  18. Lindokushle says:

    Mandela , South Africa’s token for peace reconciliation sings “hamba kahle Mkhonto” at every ANC funeral. Second paragraph of the song ” Thina abaMkhonto siz’misele ukubabulala, wonke amaBhunu”. Translation-“we’re determined to kill all the boers”

    Knowing that this is a sensitive subject, I tried to steer clear of emotional rhetoric and look at it from a different angle that I feel has not been fully explored. If even the “uneducated masses” do not view it as a literal call to arms, then all it is, is offensive, like the word kaffir.

    Also, bringing up the “kaffir defense” only proves what I’m saying; that literal denotative meanings carry very little weight when compared to what they connote.

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  19. Anonymous says:

    @by the same token
    “Thats was post apartheid SA is supposed to be about, reconciliation. Forgiveness. Atonement.” – FOR WHITES
    for everyone else, new South Africa is about freedom, equality, redistribution and restitution

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  20. Bulalani Abatagati (formerly Anonymous) says:

    “For many white people the terms Reconciliation, Forgiveness, Atonement – just mean business as usual. Lock the front door, turn on the electric fence, I pay Mavis to clean up after myself so don’t fuck with my first world way of life…’

    Andy, are you actually aware of the brainwashed mumbo jumbo you are spewing?

    For many white people the terms Reconciliation, Forgiveness, Atonement – just mean being more respectful to the previously disadvantaged and being able to socialise with whom you wish – paying higher taxes, levies rates in order to give the previously disvantaged amenities for mahala – negating mechanisation for the sake of employing unskilled labour – putting up with blatant corruption and thievery in Government (It has always been there…but at least there was some semblence of subtlety)

    “Many” white people just want to put bread on the table and if I’m not mistaken…charity starts at home.

    I would be waving your little flag Andy if – “many” white people were wealthy enough to be able to give any more than the taxes and levies – If “many” white people had time to go into the previously disadvanted areas and help educate the masses – If “many” white people could adopt an AIDS orphan or street child.

    All of the above is besides the point. The lyrics Kill the Boer are, today, inflammatory considering our current socio-economic climate. How can you even debate that point escapes me. The song is being used to inflamme emotions, create divisions and perpetuate the notion that their is still one common enemy. The mean old super wealthy mlungu. Why not change the lyrics to shoot the capitalist? You know very well why not.

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  21. Anonymous says:

    no-one should be singing this song – its hateful and the time for that sentiment has past. but also, and more importantly – banning it is censorship, trampling over freedom of speech and inflamatory.

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  22. Lindokushle says:

    so then we should also stop saying “fuck the police” and “sticking it to the man”?

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  23. Lindokushle says:

    and bopping our heads to misogynistic rape and murder fantasies that plat daily on commercial radio?

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  24. Lindokushle says:

    also, it’s *abathakathi

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  25. Andy says:

    yoh Bulalani Abatagati… I’ll defend your right to sing whatever you damn well please. Shoot the capitalist, shoot the jew, shoot mahala – whatevs. that’s the whole point. Banning songs is stupid. Rather try fix the underlying social ills

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  26. Bulalani Abatagati (formerly Anonymous) says:

    Again, pray tell, how can you put “Ayesab’ amagwala” in the same context as Eminem and all that porny and sexually explicit R&B, Odd Future, JayZ, Akon?

    The lyrics are hate speech when taken in the context of our country. If JayZ went gold with a version of it…then the boers have a problem.

    Banning the song is a frivolous excersise. Charging those who sing the lyrics will make them martyrs. It’s a lose-lose situation. A little Mental maturity is called for, eh, Andy? Surely there are more peaceful ways of bring about change.

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  27. God says:

    Bulalani, you need to check yourself before you wreck yourself, son.

    You seem to think your formal education is superior to that of the masses? Your mind is colonised. Life is the greatest teacher of all and ‘the masses’ probably have a far more attuned mental maturity to the reality of life than you: from your apparent location up your own ass.

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  28. Lindokushle says:

    @ reality check, funny you should mention burning straw men…

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  29. Lindokushle says:

    @Bulalani Abatagati (formerly Anonymous) so rape and murder of women becomes “sexually explicit”, you can contextualise and water it down the apparently violence but with Ayesab’ amagwala you can’t?

    This is the same understanding gap I’m pointing out here

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  30. Bulalani Abatagati says:

    Big G dog…with a dry bone throwing your stone…I do not see myself as superior to anyone. I am extremley fortunate to have had access to vast amounts of information and a fairly well rounded formal education. My parents also went to school and their parents before them. This helped in gaining general knowledge. I may not have any “kasi” street cred but I have some street smart having for a few years experienced a blue collar existence. Enough about me and my fortunes.

    In general, the “masses” of our country/continent have not had these luxuries. They may have many life skills that I lack having lived below the line. What doesn’t kill strenghtens – and all that.

    The fact remains. As a result of their isolated poverty striken existence they are the easy maleable victims of bastardised marxist indoctrination.

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  31. Bulalani Abatagati says:

    As usual an irresistible force meets an immovable object.

    There will always be the have’s and the have not’s and there will always be cheerleaders from both camps singing their struggle songs…as it always was and always will be.

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  32. Reality Check says:

    Andy I don’t support the banning of the song or any suppression of free speech – it’s an exercise in pointlessness. I also don’t support attempts to frame a song that invites the murder of a racial group as something subtle, nuanced and a rakish tilt at ‘the man’. I agree that the context feeds the forces that make people want to use it, but let us make this clear: the context is about more than white apathy and privilege, it is about government failure to deliver on unrealistic promises and scapegoating an easy target while feeding itself off the fat of the land. Open the history books pal. Shit like this has gone down previously in history, and the results weren’t pretty. Those farm murder pics are a graphic demonstration of hate in action. Can you honestly tell me that if whites around the country were singing ‘Kill the*insert racial slur*’ at rallies while black people in their thousands were being tortured and murdered by white supremacists in their homes there wouldn’t be an international outcry. Come the fuck on. We don’t need to ban the song, no. We need to collectively say that we’ve had enough of bloodshed and violence in this country. It was a part of our past, yes, but we want our present to be something different – there’s enough goodwill in this country to do that I think. Singing about killing racial groups works against that goodwill.

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  33. iBhunu says:

    “For many white people the terms Reconciliation, Forgiveness, Atonement – just mean business as usual. Lock the front door, turn on the electric fence, I pay Mavis to clean up after myself so don’t fuck with my first world way of life…

    This song only has power because we’ve dropped the ball on reconciliation. We let the old man down. We fucken act like we’re living in Switzerland and not part of an ongoing socio-political experiment (negotiated settlement) dreamt up by a visionary set of leaders to avoid a protracted and bloody civil war.”

    We? Or you, Andy? Me, I live in a shitty small shared rental that I hardly can pay for. You live in a neat little mountainside pad. I have to clean up my own shit, Mavis might even earn more than me. Am I part of this we Andy? Have I dropped the ball? I have no quarrel with anybody who doesn’t have a quarrel with me. I’d have kicked Verwoerd in his balls, mugged Malan. Why the fuck do I have to put up with people calling for my death for my melanin concentration? Wasn’t one of the worst sins of Apartheid that it didn’t recognise the inherent dignity if the individual, and instead lumped people into a faceless group based on skin colour and stereotypes and then acted against them based on their most superficially least nuanced feature. How is what you are doing different? Different psych ward, same disease.

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  34. Andy says:

    Reality Check, Anonz, Bula et al. did you know about the nuance of the meaning of Dubul’iBhunu before this article. Did you think about the context in relation to “sexually explicit” hip hop and R&B?

    I think we all agree that banning songs – or any culture or form of expression for that matter – is stupid. That’s a good step. Now how do we defuse the socio-political bomb – the real issues – that imbue this song with such vehemence – instead of just relegating it to obscure struggle history?

    Reality Check is halfway there when he/she says “We need to collectively say that we’ve had enough of bloodshed and violence in this country.” But then we also need to commit ourselves to do more to make shit better. You can’t fall back on the old chestnut that the govt let us down. What did you expect from a govt? Nah man, the powerful, the educated, the healthy, the haves need to get involved in a much more tangible way and – hate the term – but be the change.

    So, i throw it back to you, how do we do that?

    Shana tova my peeps. May this year be a year of plenty.

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  35. iBhunu says:

    I’ll throw this back at you Andy – what responsibility do the unhealthy, the have-nots, the weak and the uneducated have? None? Lots of whiteys, black diamonds, coloureds and asians are having their income extracted to fund this fucked up government. How about the government stops taxing our asses and we’re allowed to decide how we want that money used for the upliftment of our country and people – companies, NPOs, NGOs etc must tender for that money. We then hire them for four year tenders to complete set goals in education, healthcare and basic service delivery. After four years we can evaluate the results and if they have failed hire a different NGO/NPO/company to do the job.

    In other words a free market for service delivery in this country that would force results and stop the money being swabbed up by an incompetent government bureaucracy. I’ll bet everything I have (a surfboard and amp) that if the middle class could decide where their tax money went and how it was to be used, and were allowed to influence that and became part of decision making, things would start to go in the direction we all want very fast.

    As long as its being sopped up by corrupt people who misappropriate it and can then blame their failures on the middle class with zero accountability to anyone we’re going nowhere in a hurry.

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  36. arnaud says:

    A literal translation of the words is:
    Shoot! Shoot! Shoot them with a gun
    “shoot the Boer”
    Shoot! Shoot! Shoot them with a gun
    Ma, let me “shoot the Boer”
    Shoot! Shoot Shoot them with a gun.
    These dogs rape us
    Shoot shoot shoot them with a gun”
    “[60] On one occasion (as is apparent from the video) when the song was sung Malema added the following words at the end:
    “shoot the Boer/farmer. “shoot the Boer” the farmer. Shoot to kill. Shoot to kill.”
    From the decision handed down by Judge Lamont

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  37. arnaud says:

    Quote Lindiwe :”In order for something to breach Freedom of Expression, and become Hate Speech, it must provide a reasonable manner in which it could be interpreted as a direct and clear incitement to violence.”
    This is wrong and misleading :

    The law ( pencil test for journos) says :

    10. (1) Subject to the proviso in section 12. no person may publish, propagate, advocate or communicate words based on one or more of the prohibited grounds, against any person, that could reasonably be construed to demonstrate a clear intention to

    (a) be hurtful;

    (b) be harmful or to incite harm;

    (c) promote or propagate hatred.

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  38. Anonymous says:

    @Andy, don’t for a second think you have the right to speak on behalf of all boers/whites. prick

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  39. Skoonheid says:

    When I’m tired of the coldness that is Killarney, of eyes that ogle you with suspicion, of girls that clutch their handbags at a greenside bar when I pull in to order a drink, tired of having to spell my name (once again), of job posts that say “english first language”, tired of all these ‘nuances’ and more. I visit my mom in the hood and as I throw my heavy bones on the couch to watch The bold and the beautiful with her, one of the character will break down and cry and to this my mom will say “shame, nabo habantu yazi”. (shame, they are people too you know).

    Oh and did you guys know that during the slave trade, kaffir was a word used by arabs to describe white people?

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  40. Skoonheid says:

    and yo! can yall’s moms and dads stop making our moms and dad walk the dogs yo, that shit aint funny no more.

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  41. Anonymous says:

    hey Skoonheid, can you stop trying to sound like an American YO. Stop complaining, BEE has enabled you many opportunities, there are bursaries too. Go study. This shit is tired now. Stop calling yourself “previously disadvantaged”. That’s like saying “previously single” when you’re married. You probably weren’t even born before apartheid was abolished. Don’t be a racist and blame others because you feel inferior.
    Who cares what slave trade words were used. Christ this shit is so boring. That was hundreds of years ago. Apartheid was 18 years ago. Build a bridge man.

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  42. Roger Young says:

    Did you know: In Germany it is still illegal to display the Swastika or to buy and sell copies of Mein Kampf.

    Short lesson: Don’t pick at the wound.

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  43. Skoonheid says:

    Hey Anonymous – much as I do American, I can also do Jozi jock, bru, le seSotho, SeTswana, ne siZulu, Je parle un petit peu de français and a lil bit of kiSwahili to save my life, what has your tunnel vision allowed you so far? What can you apart from indignant white?

    I’m still building bridges ma bru (or is it ma boy?)

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  44. Anada Skoonheid says:

    Yo, Anonymous, NIGAA!! You’re right, apartheid ended 18 years go, so the time when we gotta listen to angry white males dictate what we can and can’t feel is now over, nahmean??

    How’s that walled off present working out for you? That one where you get to easily forget a recent past cos you’re just so goddam tired of dealing with the outcomes of your dad and his cronies’ actions.

    I built a bridge. I studied yo. And look! Still a white guy telling me what to do. Suck it prick!

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  45. Anonymous says:

    @Skoonheid & Anada Skoonheid: racist much?

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  46. Lindokushle says:

    @ arnaud says so I get that by getting my name wrong (even though you could have have just cut and paste it) you’re saying that it’s too insignificant for you to note.

    My name however, unlike the BOR and The Constitution is not open to interpretation (that’s what the courts are for). If you’d like to inform yourself further than wikipedia then post your email address, I’ll send you the ruling so you can read for yourself the grounds Judge Lamont based his judgement on.

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  47. Lindokushle says:

    please can somebody tell me what exactly it means to get over Apartheid? How does this happen?

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  48. G.E.E. says:


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  49. Lindokushle says:


    murder statistics broken down by race… Surprise surprise, more black people getting murdered.

    Call it what you like: Black-on-black, white genocide, it’s murder. What songs are being sung to incite black murder? De la Rey? Die Stem? Big Pimpin’?

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  50. Reality Check says:

    Lindokushle, please give some stats on black on white murder vs white on black murder? When a white murders a black it is front page news and all the lefties start weeping and calling it hate crime. When a black murders a white then thats just totally fine. Also, I know you didn’t look at farm murder pics. Please do. There’s stabbing someone in a shebeen, and then there’s raping an old women in front of her husband of 50 years, flaying them, forcing them to drink boiling water, smashing their heads in with axes and then setting them on fire. Lekker stuff, ne? Funny how a UF student making a worker drink urine causes a national issues, but the above happening a few thousand times is totally acceptable. How can I say go fuck yourself in isiZulu?

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  51. Lindokushle says:

    @reality check you’re missing the point completely. So its only murder if it happens across colour-lines?

    You’re being narrow-minded. I give you proof that murder is not a white middle-class problem, and because it’s not accompanied by gruesome pictures it’s not good enough. Two of my family members have been murdered in past year, they didn’t make the front page either.

    Go fuck yourself in Zulu- Hamb’ onya, closest translation

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  52. Reality Check says:

    Thanks. It’s important to be able to swear across colour lines. I am sorry to hear about the murders. The point is there is no song whites are singing at political rallies that comes close to ‘kill the boer’, ‘fetch me my machine gun’ or any of the other struggle songs – de Lay Rey and Die Stem are Afrikaner nationalist songs, not incitement to murder, neither has a racial context. Give me a break, I was at a spontaneous ANC rally in Limpopo province a few years back and the man on the podium was openly calling for the crowd to kill whites. For real – uncomfortable moment. Why are you downplaying this? Is this really okay for you? Murder isn’t a white middle class problem, sure, but neither is the urge to go out and sing about killing other races. We should be standing up against a culture of violence and murder, all of us, against any race, any person. In that context are these songs some quaint cultural relic?

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  53. Tim says:

    Oh my fuck guy… Do you think that the sick twisted idiots who go around torturing and killing people need any incentive through song lyrics to act upon the twisted fantasies which they surely have in order to perpetrate these crimes? You’re retarded. They could probably scroll through the good old King James and find a reason to murder. Those murders have sweet fuck all to do with the song.

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  54. Reality Check says:

    Can you read? Can you comprehend, Timmeh? Did I say that the songs are causing the murders or did I say that it is insensitive, inappropriate and that there’s no grounds to act as an apologist for the song in the context of those sort of murder. The feelings that make people sing that song are probably some of the same feelings that come out in farm murders. You’re only as fucking stupid as you think I am.

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  55. Anonymous says:

    Tim = stoopid

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  56. the way forward on one leg says:

    Excellent space to investigate some of the complications arround the issue.
    Man, some of these kids get so angry at those who hold positions other than their own…I fear it is the anger of those who know they are on the wrong side of an argument.
    Bottom line: curbing free speech is a radical act…is there really enough evidence of cause and effect to start chipping away at this hallowed cornerstone of democracy? It means politics is now infringing on art, which should make all of us uncomfortable. Idiots will always say and sing stupid things…being an idiot is not a crime, as evidenced by the ability of many of the commenters on this threat to still move about freely. Action is a whole nother ball game.
    Let the idiots sing divisive songs. Legislating against it just shows you are not confidant you can come up with a more persuasive argument.

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  57. also says:

    Tim = more aware of violent psychology than given credit for

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  58. Humans... says:

    We are so fucked…

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  59. iBhunu says:

    @twf Curbing free speech: bad idea. Celebrating race-based murder songs: also bad idea. When does a song cross the line into a deliberate call to arms against a minority? How many people need to die to prove this is not a good thing? 4000? 4 million? When will you be convinced? When you can do a skull count in a barn in Bredasdorp?

    There’s a fine line to cross here, but let’s be clear: it can be crossed. Blowing off some steam is one thing, calling for genocide, not the same thing. How are you going to tell the difference without waiting for the situation to get out of hand? As several commenters have said – Kill the Boer is just one song. There are more, and some of them are even more direct in intent. Are you listening to what is coming out of the mouths of the ANCYL in recent months?

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  60. arnaud says:

    @ Lindokushle, apologies for getting your name wrong . And Lindiwe, apologies for confusing you with Lindokushle.
    The rest of the posts was actually copied and pasted, one source was M@G and the other Daily Maverick.

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  61. arnaud says:

    its LINDOKUHLE , get it right dammit !!!

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  62. arnaud says:

    No , its not : Its Lindokuhle Nkosi in the header, and Lindokushle in the comments section.
    “We collectively understand and agree that “the man” is not synonymous with “a man”. The man down the road is not the same person as “the man” who gets “it” stuck to”.
    Am I to understand that Lindokuhle the writer is not Lindokushle the writer .

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  63. creepy steve says:

    i’m white and i reckon it’s a pity the english didn’t adopt a master plan style solution for the dutchmen problem this country faced (is still facing)- make my day kill the boer.
    ban fokofpolisie car aswell disaffected afrikaans youth idols ag shame man you’re not going to get that job at the post office your deddie had because now some pekey-ou has to get it-kill kill kill i say purge the world of this scourge (white on white hate speech it can happen)

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  64. @Anon says:

    Yup! like gazing into a mirror, innit?

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  65. Anonymous says:

    12 year old creepy steve pops out of the woodwork to spew

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  66. Bakes says:

    I think you guys are missing the point here though.

    I’m pretty sure that in Judge Lamont’s ruling he specifically said that even if the words in the song didn’t intend to be hurtful in the past, that now since the whole debacle has been blown out of proportion in the media, there is no ways that they can’t be defined as hate speech. Everyone now knows that a certain section of society are being offended by it, therefore anyone singing NOW would knowingly be doing it to offend. It’s really got nothing to do with the nuances of the language, but more about what the song represents now.

    PS: On another note. I’m pretty sure if instead of ‘sticking it to the man’ the phrase had in fact been ‘sticking it to the woman’ the PC police would have had something to say about that too.

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  67. Urk says:

    Lindokuhle – kief article. I thought you did a fantastic job of making the point. It frustrates me a little that we conveniently forget that we used to tune each other “chips, boere” when buying suitcases at claremont station. still, i can also see that even a zulu person could potentially take a literal interpretation. simply what is required is for ALL of us to chill the fuck out. perhaps buy a couple more suitcases and make a pipe together in the forest above uct.

    I’ve said it before, and unfortuantely have too little time to make sure that the point has not been made above: Mahala is encouraging some debate on the issue. unfortunately we’re not just picking at the scab, but collectively leaning towards rubbing salt, pouring over some acid (phosphoric, not lysergic), even setting fire to the fucker.

    we’ve a long way to go. this is an essential part of the journey. thank you mahala, irrespective of whether we enjoy the process or not.

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  68. creepy steve says:

    anonymous pops up to eat a cock

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  69. Anonymous says:

    Wow creepy steve, you are one sick twisted little piece of work.

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  70. Anonymous says:

    As I was saying, 12 year old creepy steve pops out of the woodwork…

    Andy, didn’t you at one point have this oke writing for Mahala? Standards, my bru, standards…

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  71. Oi Vey and the Shana Tovas says:

    You gotta heart the left. If my memory serves me correctly seven or so months ago they were crying blue murder because John Cleese as the Guv in Spud the movie said Virginia Woolf needed a good rogering (obviously a joke – nobody in their right mind would have seriously suggested giving Virginia Woolf anything more than a wide berth). There was a fat heart-rending outcry because that was considered very non-PC mentis in a country where corrective rape is on the go, and it was even suggested that those attitudes caused corrective rape.

    Now we have people singing kill the Boer at rallies and that is really just fine and dandy, and trying to stop the poor dearies is an infringement of their right to free speech, and it is* totally* ridiculous to suggest that singing kill the Boer is inappropriate or has any causative effect in a country where Boers are the group at highest risk for murder and are routinely tortured and murdered on the farms.

    Ahhh.. I love the smell of fresh hypocrisy in the morning.

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  72. BabelFish says:

    It’s a song, big deal. Well thats how it should be. This is all about context. Singing it at a funeral or an ANC gathering really won’t bother too many people. Repeatedly singing it in a blatantly procovative way, in very public (prearranged?) scenarios is very different, especially when the purpose is very obviously nothing but good old fashioned divise, racially based shit stirring. Which we could really do without.

    Personally I appreciate that the song is part of history, but it’s best left there, in the past.

    Let’s look forward, not backwards, ta.

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  73. Grant W says:

    Aaaaah for fuck sakes. How can so many of you have missed th epoint by so far? It is fokkol to do with the words of the song. I has fokkol to do with the semantics of what the hell iBhunu means in a common context blah blah. It has everything to do with symbolism. That song is being used as a blunt weapon to further the agenda of cunts like Malema who see the same problems we do but instead of looking for a solution that is harmonious, he wants a big irn fisted Mugabe solution where he ends up as the dictating king of a shit heap that used to be a country with promise.

    Here I rank, in order of DISGRACE, the banning of that song:

    1) The ANCYL taking a symbol of a fight for freedom from times when they were oppressed and bastardising it in to a racially threatening call to arms; for using it as a blunt instrument and for getting it banned. You are cunts of the worst kind!

    2) The fact that under our law the song was banned. Don’t blame Lamont. He followed the law. Our law is too sensitive and PC because we are too sensitive and PC. So fuck our stupid law and fuck sensitive threatened South Africans for needing it.

    3) Afriform – Fuck you arseholes for making this into the big deal that it has become and polarised it because of race.

    If all the lousy little proto-dictators hadn’t gathered round and fucked this beautiful little child of a song up the ass, we could have had s stage show with struggle songs including this one and taken it on a nationwide tour. I used to hum along to these songs at Wits in the 90’s; they are righteous beautiful pieces of music BUT they are part of our history and not our present. Let them be. Write new ones. How about dubul’ icorruption, dubul’ igravy train and dubul’ iArm’s Deal. Fuck people, fuck!

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  74. stillem says:

    all I need to say is if you think this song should not be banned or you like this song then you are in the wrong country………so would you kindly just FUCK OFF?!

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  75. i heart mahala says:

    Great article Linda.. interesting comments. this is what it’s about. there is no right and wrong. everyone has their opinions. and freedom of expression. we all agree that it’s a song that invokes violence and racism or ‘sticking it to the man’ but we must remember its context. and the present context, or legacy. Roger is right. It does no good picking at sores, but these people are still experiencing 20 years later the inequalities established during the apartheid. it’s all very well for someone from a middleclass life to say get over it, whilst the others- except of course for the chosen few ‘black diamonds’ BEE etc.- have never experienced anything but the same conditions that were present pre-rainbow nation.

    what bothers me, alot, is that all we have are these debates.

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  76. Anonymous says:

    @i heart mahala: what bothers me is you typing “alot” and expecting to be taken seriously. Roger is right indeed. The rest of what you wrote is crap. There is no reason for this song to be sung. What about the TRC, BBBEE, AA, 20 years later, the fact that whites are a minority etc. Fuck off

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  77. StereoTheist says:

    @Lindokuhle Nkosi…what an enormously beautiful piece of writing. truly subtle and WAY above the heads of all of us lacking mental maturity…\m/ best thing i’ve read on mahala in ages!

    @iBhunu…u had me til u said “free market” lol

    @Grant W… i agree, we need new struggle songs! i wil sing them with Andy in isiZulu!

    @Andy…dude, i don’t know you, but let’s learn Zulu together. Then sing in it! Seriously. Put your mouth where your money is. my E-mail is attached. Mina ngidare wena???…How do i say “i dare you” in zulu.

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  78. JD says:

    If people are being brutally murdered for being white, Afrikaans and farmers, I don’t give a sh*t if it’s a struggle song or if it’s part of some groups culture or even if it makes some people feel better about the pathetic emptyness of their previously disadvantaged meaningless consumer-driven lives, it is completely insensitive and stupid! That is all.

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  79. JH says:

    “There’s a huge gap in understanding, stemming from years of separate development, which confines our ability to comprehend each other’s cultures.”

    Are you taking steps in your own life to bridge it?

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  80. Anonymous says:

    Bulalani Abatagati (formerly Anonymous) for the win!

    Shoot the capitalist! okay, don’t shoot him, but rid this world of his evil.

    and fuck shoot the boer. it’s inflammatory, hateful and we don’t need this shit. regardless of subtleties. subtleties don’t count when it’s calling for murder from the rooftops. and andy, whoever said anything about banning culture? then we might as well say we respect the awb racist boer assholes right to their culture of hate and intolerance.

    good piece nontheless! a shame that the term is not understood the way you wish to show throughout the piece.

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  81. Umlungu WaseKapa says:

    Hey guys
    I get where all the hatred and fear comes from. Its completely justified on both sides of the fence, but Im telling you know you aint gonna find a solution hurling expletives and crying about how ignorant the other is.

    We are one, metaphysically and metaphorically. Lets start to embrace. Lets find the gem that is the REAL NEW South Africa.

    I made this song and video to help teach peeps Xhosa and Zulu and to poke fun at stereotypes, both about whities and BEE darkies…

    Check it: http://www.quiteawhiteou.com

    I love you (like Michael Jackson)


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  82. Umlungu WaseKapa says:

    Hey guys
    I get where all the hatred and fear comes from. Its completely justified on both sides of the fence, but Im telling you now you aint gonna find a solution hurling expletives and crying about how ignorant the other is.

    We are one, metaphysically and metaphorically. Lets start to embrace. Lets find the gem that is the REAL NEW South Africa.

    I made this song and video to help teach peeps Xhosa and Zulu and to poke fun at stereotypes, both about whities and BEE darkies…

    Check it: http://www.quiteawhiteou.com

    I love you (like Michael Jackson)


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